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Newt

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« on: February 20, 2009, 01:57:42 AM »

I came home from work today and really felt like dancing and this is what I've salvaged from that. I thought to put this in the journey section cuz its just practice but I don't post much and I'd like to hear what you all have to say. I feel like it comes smoother now. Enjoy - I hope.

http://www.youtube.com/v/kKnPpwLZUuA&hl=en&fs=1
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2009, 12:56:47 PM »

Kyle you are def getting much better, but it seems you were like nervous in this video. Ive seen you dance like a billion times better than this mang. When you are doing liquid and playing around with ideas in this video its sick and creative so stop hopping around like a chicken and concentrate more on your liquid and digitz.

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2009, 01:02:55 PM »

I say keep hopping around like a chicken, but make it look cooler and more relevant to your liquid. Great ideas, could use some cleaning up. Hmm, that sounds like this thing that we are doing: http://floasis.net/smf/index.php?topic=1347
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2009, 04:25:51 PM »

stop hopping around like a chicken and concentrate more on your liquid and digitz.



After watching myself in these clips i took-  but before i uploaded them to youtube - i realized that when i want to move around a lot i have so little foot work to work with. I actually spent almost two hours looking up floats slides glides and practicing them afterwords. I do hate the chicken hopping and I'm reigning it in. :-\
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2009, 04:58:05 PM »

Yeah that's what I was going to say body, body, BODY haha... I have a clip from a few years ago where my body is doing the exact same thing as yours. It's the I want to groove yet look wavey flexible type deal. Here's what I learned after wasting an assload of time with this problem.

Floats and glides may solve some of your footwork problems, but they will not solve your problems you're having with your body. Things will still look off. Here's what I realized after years of heartache. I wish I'd known then what I know now... I wasted so much time. There are two ways that I've learned, and still work on, to properly fix the problem we all have behind our arms and hands.

1. Dance with a groove. Usually the way this advice is dished out is stop doing liquid and learn how to dance. Err where do I start? That's what my question was. So I wasted two years coming up with an answer that applied to the dance we're actually doing. I call it the metronome technique. In reality it's just an idea to help you establish a groove with the music. You can read my full rant about it in the dance philosophy section. I also have a short non-helpful tutorial on my youtube page.

2. Dance from a place of stillness. WTF? You stand with a nice posture and don't move while you do liquid. A lot harder than it sounds. When you actually do move you use body isolations. A good way to learn is the robot. You can actually switch from clean pose to clean pose also. Check out the clip of sifi and justin doing liquid in Melbourne, that's a top notch example. You want to look wavey, this is counterintuitive, but dance standing still using sequenced isolations aka waving. That's the hard way to do it. Look at belly dancers like Rachael Brice for inspiration, don't look at me haha.


Other big problem that you should fix is your leg placement. You over-move, as I call it, swinging your legs out into wide sloppy stances. I used to to do this all the time. Taller lankier dancers seem to have this problem a lot. Shorten the space between movements, it'll be tough at first. Don't be afraid to be still and not move. That'll go against a lot of dance philosophy you've probably heard. But being still allows you to isolate correctly for the audience.


You had some really great ideas in there that I would like to see cleanly presented. Remember make a clear decision and execute it. Dance with a groove or dance from a place of stillness. Do not combine them. If you want to look wavey when you dance stand still and isolate. Head, neck, chest, torso, hips, knees (extremely overlooked but adds so much), feet (think swivels).           
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2009, 01:44:22 AM »

w00t for birdage saving me a bunch of typing gogogo

ya man imo ur looking REALLY uncomfortable in this newer clip, moreso than ur last two. i dont think your legs were too far apart but i did see alot of dropping/lowering of the arms and awkward stanses/poses too. the biggest thing i think you should work on right now is your isolation, theres barely any in this clip, your stops werent clean and you do alot of compensating movement, your waves for instance, when you do them the rest of your body should be completely still unless its moving in a path that accentuates that wave, your kind of all over the place whenever you started one. 

and as bird said, you've got to simply learn howto 'dance' minus the liquid. not an easy task, the metronome thing is a great start but u've got to get your shoulders and your core more involved. your hitting the beats well enough but with no emphasis and no emotion, make that bass kick harder and cooler than it really is to your liquid audience :). maybe check out some locking clips as well, imo they are the champs of the 'groove' and i used to watch it for inspiration. having kai and pwtom around was pretty nice too tho cause they can rip a track like nobodys business.

i pointed out alot of negatives in this critique but dont get discouraged meng it wasnt all bad. i thought 2:16 was pretty dope and its also good to see you actualy doing more liquid and keeping the hand-relationship. just note that your posture is starting to fall by the wayside hence you should give it some attention for the next joint. keep it up!


shit i still ended up typing alot, how the fuck man.
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2009, 08:25:24 PM »

::sigh:: before i saw Mario dance just over 2 years ago i never wanted to dance in any way and never did. But he made me say "wow, that is awesome and i wanna learn how to do it!" looks like i have quite a bit to work on eh? thanks a lot for the comments and helping steer me in the right direction though. I freekin' love this stuff and I'm determined to make it happen.  :D
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2009, 08:37:37 PM »

looks like i have quite a bit to work on eh?

we all do mayne, no worries! as long as your hearts still in it, which it sounds like it is :)

diggin the new name btw
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2009, 09:03:09 PM »


diggin the new name btw

Thanks! i decided that although Krylo has its own relevance to me apart from mario, it is far too similar to Krypt0. Annnnd me being led here by him it seemed like i was copying. It displeased me whenever i thought of it.
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2009, 09:05:49 PM »

i feel ya lol, i've been looking for a new name myself and there were a few that i almost settled on awhile back, but then i realized they were kind of similar to kai, who brought me here :)
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